Menu-vertical-et-horizontal - examples missing

Hi,
I don't speak french. I'm from Germany and suddenly today, I realised that somehow your very well love menupage
http://css.alsacreations.com/search.php?q=%2FUn-menu-deroulant-en-CSS-et-XHTML-vertical-et-horizontal
has totally gone.
The vertical and horizontal menus worked with and without javascript. So please I would love to get the example pages back.

Sorry when I didn't use the search good enough and only wasn't able to find the sites while the have moved to an new adress.

Thanks
Anna

Hi,

Raphael did remove this page because using definition lists for a menu in 2008 isn't a cool idea anymore (it never was but well ... <kidding>he was young and didn't know and then there was a couple of years of inertia </kidding>)
You can still access this page via Google 'Im Cache' feature: just search "alsacreations menu deroulant" and it's the first result.
Or even simpler, you can still access the english translation of the page from http://tutorials.alsacreations.com/

Even better, don't use this thing. There are numerous problems of accessibility and ergonomy with those menus; if you need them it's probably because your site is too complicated

Hi Felipe,
THX for answering that fast and for posting good news .
I missed somehow the english version of your site.
You do a good job down here.

I myself like the way Stu Nicholls works on menus.
But I wanted very much to keep your ones in my bookmarks.

So keep on working and again thank you.

Anna

Felipe a écrit :

... <kidding>he was young and didn't know... </kidding>)

a écrit :
Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do...

anna55 a écrit :
I myself like the way Stu Nicholls works on menus.

I have to disagree here. In my not-so-humble opinion, most of what Stu Nicholls does is not to be used in production. Stu Nicholls writes clever but unreliable code. Most of the "dynamic" stuff he writes should have been done using unobtrusive JavaScript instead of CSS pseudo-classes such as :hover and tortuous HTML code (like blocks in links for IE6 compatibility).

About the tutorial that was removed from Alsacreations: it was most definitely obsolete. It used DL lists, which was a misguided choice, not-that-reliable JS code for IE6 compatibility, and was unable to handle keyboard navigation or basic usability tweaking such as a short delay before closing a sub-menu.

I recommend:
1. Trying to simplify the navigation. This will not be possible for every website, but some projects might benefit from such an effort.
2. If a drop-down menu is retained, make sure the first level links of the menu point to category indexes, eventually giving access to all pages in the website.
3. If a drop-down menu is retained, use a decent script such as Superfish.
Modifié par Florent V. (29 Oct 2008 - 12:17)

Florent V. a écrit :

I have to disagree here. In my not-so-humble opinion, most of what Stu Nicholls does is not to be used in production. Stu Nicholls writes clever but unreliable code. Most of the "dynamic" stuff he writes should have been done using unobtrusive JavaScript instead of CSS pseudo-classes such as :hover and tortuous HTML code (like blocks in links for IE6 compatibility).

I answer with a clear jein! (German for yes and no together). Yes because it has to do with the vita of Stu who started out in 1980 with computers and later became hooked with CSS (vita). He is working now with JS too.
And no because all this CSS menu stuff works even when JavaScript ist disabled. When you browse the web with the FF-Extension NoScript as I do you become thankful for working stuff such as menus. As you know very often webworker demonstrate all the new and great dynamic stuff. But not even navigation is possible on the page. Well, I'm not hating JS and indeed I love it coming to sentences like

a écrit :
You really, really need to enable JavaScript to view this page.
You know, it's about JavaScript.

like you find it on script.aculo.us. And BTW Stu's stuff is used by professionals e.g. the German Soccer Club Werder Bremen

Florent V. a écrit :

About the tutorial that was removed from Alsacreations: it was most definitely obsolete. It used DL lists, which was a misguided choice, ...

I'm completely with you. But why not having a archiv or a link to former stuff like even MooTools got on the demo page. Some people like me miss it. It's very helpful to know why we should not use it but we could do so.

And THX for the Superfish.
Modifié par anna55 (29 Oct 2008 - 22:14)

anna55 a écrit :
But why not having a archiv or a link to former stuff like even MooTools got on the demo page.

Because we're not as nicely organised as they are.
And mostly because the software we use to publish tutorials on css.alsacreations.com doen't really enable us to publish «hidden» archive pages that can only be accessed if you know the URL (for instance).
Last, because we (moderators) got quite tired of getting dozens of support questions about that tutorial every week, so we were like "enough, kill it with fire!".
(Oh, and there's a better tutorial in the works but the person who is working on it is very busy... so I can't promise it'll be published anytime soon.)
Modifié par Florent V. (29 Oct 2008 - 22:28)

Florent V. a écrit :
And mostly because the software we use to publish tutorials on css.alsacreations.com doen't really enable us to publish «hidden» archive pages that can only be accessed if you know the URL (for instance).

I was not talking about 'hidden pages'. An extra page with simple linked headlines could do it.

Florent V. a écrit :
Last, because we (moderators) got quite tired of getting dozens of support questions about that tutorial every week, so we were like "enough, kill it with fire!".

Know what you mean. But if you wouldn't like it anyway, you would stop helping.